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September 23
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September 23, 2024
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September 22
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September 22, 2024
(Sunday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
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RD: Dick Diamonde
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Music
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:B4B6:28B7:28ED:B519 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Derek R Bullamore (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Australian bass guitarist and member of The Easybeasts. Death announced on 22 September. 240F:7A:6253:1:B4B6:28B7:28ED:B519 (talk) 00:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Fredric Jameson
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Influential American literary critic, philosopher, and Marxist political theorist. Author of Postmodernism, or, the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism and The Political Unconscious. Thriley (talk) 23:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD in principle. One section requires additional citations, otherwise once fixed the article is good to go. Tofusaurus (talk) 23:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
2024 Sri Lankan presidential election
[edit]Blurb: Anura Kumara Dissanayake (pictured) wins the 2024 Sri Lankan presidential election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Anura Kumara Dissanayake (pictured) wins the 9th presidential election to become the 10th President of Sri Lanka.
Alternative blurb II: Anura Kumara Dissanayake (pictured) wins the 2024 Sri Lankan presidential election to become the 10th President of Sri Lanka.
News source(s): BBC, The Hindu, Al Jazeera, The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by JohnAdams1800 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by QEnigma (talk · give credit), Not Wlwtn (talk · give credit), Obi2canibe (talk · give credit), Vestrian24Bio (talk · give credit) and Janeesh 22 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: A new head of state was elected, and this was the first time a second round of counting was needed in Sri Lankan history.
Updated the fields Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait aftermath section needs to be expanded and needs more sources. The winner's article needs to be updated with a section about his victory. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait it seems like per infobox, he is going to be sworn in as president of Sri Lanka on 24 September, can say there is only a single day till his inauguration which instead of election, we could post about he is sworn in as president into main page. Anyway the article needs more expansion and references. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 17:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per ITN/R Scuba 20:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. Ornithoptera (talk) 22:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support national election, change in control of the executive. Doubly ITN/R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per ITN/R Tofusaurus (talk) 23:13, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. Change in control of executive, also victory of a third-party candidate. Not Wlwtn (talk) 01:27, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above IDB.S (talk) 03:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per ITN/R. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 03:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support National election. Very important. High Admiral JMT (talk) 04:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
45th Chess Olympiad
[edit]Blurb: India wins both, the open and the women's events, at the 45th Chess Olympiad (Open board one winner Gukesh Dommaraju pictured) (Post)
News source(s): FirstPost (India)
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kiril Simeonovski (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Open event winners identified. Should know of the women's event gold medalists soon. Both results are now in. Very nice work by ITN regular Kiril Simeonovski on the articles. Ktin (talk) 14:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support the blurb, but not sure if the photo merits inclusion, because there are multiple winners. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 14:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment India won the women's event also. --Lekhak93 (talk) 15:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready a large part of the prose in the main article is still in the future tense and needs to be updated. Both the events' articles are missing information regarding the 11th round, with open event 10th round summary being incomplete. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agree re: the first statement, and if there are tense issues that need to be remedied, they can be remedied before the article goes to the mainpage. However, there is no gating expectation on the non-bold articles. Only the bolded one needs to be examined. Ktin (talk) 17:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I’ll update the articles in a few hours.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Edits seems to have been done and the bolded article is ready for mainpage imo. Nice work. Ktin (talk) 00:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support A chess olympiad is important enough to be in the ITN. High Admiral JMT (talk) 04:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support, good quality article. Congratulations to the editors ! Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: W. Jayasiri
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by TyphoonAmpil (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
†TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 10:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose unsourced filmography and other acting roles. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 17:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Koos van der Merwe
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pretoria FM (Afrikaans)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
South African politician and formerly, the longest serving South African MP. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support meets the minimum requirement. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Per nom †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 10:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:38, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
September 21
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September 21, 2024
(Saturday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Disasters and accidents Law and crime
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Sports
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RD: Mercury Morris
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American professional football player. Needs some work Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Al McCoy (sportscaster)
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American sportscaster Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support besides a rather archaic list of sports trivia, his article has no major problems. I feel rest of the article is of a high enough quality to include despite the orange tag. Scuba 02:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would just remove that entire section. Natg 19 (talk) 02:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Multiple tagged sourcing issues.—Bagumba (talk) 04:54, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose three orange tagged sections and multiple cn tags in others. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:38, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Daniel J. Evans
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): University of Washington, Associated Press
Credits:
- Nominated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American politician from the state of Washington. Died yesterday, announced today. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 21:18, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Sunshineisles2, shouldn't this be in the September 20 section? We put entries by date of event/death, not date of nomination. Aza24 (talk) 22:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Aza24: I've seen it done either way, if memory serves. I tend to go by the date a death was announced, since if someone died two weeks ago but it wasn't publicly announced until today, their article would presumably still be nominated, even if nominations for the actual date of death had been archived. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 23:46, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support RIP to another Pacific Northwest political legend; article is in good enough for ITN but some prose adjustments would do. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 02:19, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Senator, governor, and his article looks good. Scuba 02:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in a good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Greg Malouf
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:B152:A2D8:5EEC:B1EC (talk · give credit)
- Created by Cantaur3099 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Noted Australian chef. Death announced on 21 September. 240F:7A:6253:1:B152:A2D8:5EEC:B1EC (talk) 14:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose multiple issues, no way near ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Ongoing: Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present)
[edit]Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: I believe recent events have shown that this is very much merits ongoing status. The parent Israel–Hezbollah conflict article requires a lot of work, but the more specific Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) looks fine. Also I know that the Israel-Hamas war article is already in ongoing but although inter-linked, this really isn't the same conflict. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:51, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I’m split on this one. Half of me thinks it merits it’s own ongoing but the other half thinks it’s covered by ongoing (spillover). 2407:E400:D004:BA01:38AE:EBE1:FE49:CF65 (talk) 11:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support It is now a separate conflict. Prodrummer619 (talk) 11:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment A fourth ongoing at this point (likely with also a timeline link) is going to spill over into three lines, and that's not really going to be good. Either we recognize this is considered a spillover of the Israel-Hamas conflict (only having gained a bump in the news due to the pager attacks), or something like the Sudan civil war should go (which arguably, hasn't had a lot of major events in the last few weeks). Also, the Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) is not in great shape as it mostly just a timeline article with little attempt to give a larger narrative to the conflict, which is typical of these long-term current event articles and don't represent the best way to write encyclopedically about these events. --Masem (t) 12:18, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Alternatively, we could include the Israel-Hezbollah conflict as part of the parenthetical after the Israel-Hamas war (eg "Israel–Hamas war (Hezbollah conflict, timeline)" which might be able to keep it on two lines, still include it but also still recognize it as closely associated with the Hamas conflict. --Masem (t) 12:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- That sounds like a good idea. While we’re at it maybe we should add the JNIM insurgency 2407:E400:D004:BA01:38AE:EBE1:FE49:CF65 (talk) 12:53, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- No, the issue is still space. We can add a couple more words before it slips into 3 lines Masem (t) 13:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- That sounds like a good idea. While we’re at it maybe we should add the JNIM insurgency 2407:E400:D004:BA01:38AE:EBE1:FE49:CF65 (talk) 12:53, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Alternatively, we could include the Israel-Hezbollah conflict as part of the parenthetical after the Israel-Hamas war (eg "Israel–Hamas war (Hezbollah conflict, timeline)" which might be able to keep it on two lines, still include it but also still recognize it as closely associated with the Hamas conflict. --Masem (t) 12:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait - To see if the current period of heightened tensions between Israel and Hezbollah following the pager attack continues after the blurb rolls off. Obviously if a full conflict starts then we put this in ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait - Per above, no ground invasion of southern Lebanon yet. If the situation escalates that far then it's safe to say this will be an ongoing conflict. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:37, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Moderate Support it’s getting more heated now and i support giving its own ongoing but it could easily get taken off IMO Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait Pending re-evaluation of conflict escalation in the next 1-2 weeks. SpencerT•C 19:49, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until boots are on the ground. Scuba 02:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait per above †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 04:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is a significant armed conflict that merits inclusion and which would have already been posted onto ongoing had there not been the Israel-Hamas conflict. We cannot downplay the significance of this ongoing event just because it involves Israel again or because we have posted too many ongoing wars. Yes, it's not ideal to use ongoing only for wars, but the discussion on its purpose should be carried out on the talk page.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose On one hand it's separate from the occupation of Gaza and the ongoing ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. But it's all related. There's indications that Israel may invade both the West Bank and Lebanon as well - do we then create 4 ongoings? I'd support renaming the current ongoing to cover all of Israel and it's enemies ongoing military actions, war crimes, and violations of international law. Nfitz (talk)
- Wait until things escalate more. We don't know yet whether this heat up will last longer. Also, having four ongoing entries (with brackets) will be too much. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Suggestion Put Arab-israeli conflict (or something like that) and then in parenthesis put the hamas and Hezbollah ones separate? Sportsnut24 (talk) 09:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- That article is way too high level, covering decades of conflict, to be useful as a main page link — Masem (t) 16:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Why don’t we create a new article then titled something along the lines of “Arab-Israeli Conflict (2023-Present)” (unless that article already exists lol) Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps pluralize "conflict". Nfitz (talk) 20:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- This is where we have to be careful with original research. I'm not saying that such sources dont exist, but we need to make sure if we start grouping news topics, we are following how sources do it. If we're grouping them just because we think they are connected without sourcing to back that up (which again, I don't think this is the case but we should be sure), we're engaging in original research Masem (t) 22:24, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Why don’t we create a new article then titled something along the lines of “Arab-Israeli Conflict (2023-Present)” (unless that article already exists lol) Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- That article is way too high level, covering decades of conflict, to be useful as a main page link — Masem (t) 16:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
Sovereign State of the Bektashi Order
[edit]Blurb: Albanian prime minister Edi Rama announced plans to create the Sovereign State of the Bektashi Order, a new Islamic country in Europe. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Di (they-them) (talk · give credit)
- Created by TheUnabashedUkrainian (talk · give credit)
New news from Albania, Edi Rama plans to create a new city-state enclave in Tirana. Di (they-them) (talk) 23:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until it is actually approved by all necessary entities and the state formally created. Plans can easily change this early. --Masem (t) 23:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Let's include them when the state is actually created, not when the state has been announced as planned to exist one day in the eventual future. Scuba 02:20, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until the plans are actually acted upon. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hold until, and if, this happens This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Now. Only just an announcement. I'd wait until the new city-state is formally established. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 07:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until it is officially established. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- wait New states are definately notably (last being South Sudan), but let's see it be more than a plan. Will it be an UN state? Will it just be another puppet state for UN voted (likely)?Sportsnut24 (talk) 09:54, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support It's interesting and it's in the news but ITN is determined to stay stale so I've nominated it for DYK. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:19, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait Until it is officially established, the announcement of pending legislation does not guarantee that the state can exist until everything is passed. Ornithoptera (talk) 22:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
September 20
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September 20, 2024
(Friday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
International relations
Law and crime
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RD: Richard Dyer
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Boston Musical Intelligencer
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Aza24 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Great music crtic. Article has been fully sourced for some time, and is now updated. Aza24 (talk) 21:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support seems good enough to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) RD: Daniel J. Evans
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Seattle Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
RD: Freddie Eugene Owens
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Rockstone35 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: First person executed by South Carolina in 13 years -- RockstoneSend me a message! 07:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait the article needs to be rewritten in some parts to remove some excess information and there are multiple sources that are repeated as different source. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Cleo Sylvestre
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: English actress Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:08, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, the article has several cn tags. Suonii180 (talk) 14:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose lot of citation needed tags †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 04:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose multiple cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Kaviyoor Ponnamma
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian actress Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose it is a listicle with very little prose plus the tables and lists are unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:51, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: David Graham
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Holl194 (talk · give credit) and SugarRat (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British actor Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 22:46, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support David Graham is a pretty notable actor for voicing Grandpa Pig in Peppa Pig, making him mostly pretty well-known. User:High Admiral JMTUser talk:High Admiral JMT 02:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- All people with a Wikipedia article are presumed notable for RD as any other criteria (like whether voicing extended family on a popular children's cartoon passes the line) are subjective and arbitrary. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Graham is especially notable since Peppa Pig is a world-famous show for children. High Admiral JMT (talk) 00:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- All people with a Wikipedia article are presumed notable for RD as any other criteria (like whether voicing extended family on a popular children's cartoon passes the line) are subjective and arbitrary. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait prose is sourced, filmography isn't, but those who know the subject would know where to source that very quickly. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait prose is good enough but filmography is missing sources. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:52, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Ibrahim Aqil
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Prodrummer619 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Personally I would say "Wait" on this since it may grow into an ITN discussion (Israel says 10 senior commanders were killed Barrons) Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment shouldn't this be Ibrahim Aqil (militant) rather than disambiguation by organisation name? Abcmaxx (talk) 21:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support while there is discussion pending on renaming the article, that shouldn't hold this back from posting as it is in a good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:54, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Geoffrey Hinsliff
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Sky News, The Independent
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Flipandflopped (talk · give credit)
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British actor who played a major character on the television soap opera Coronation Street for over ten years. I have updated the article (although I was not logged in, oops) to include his Coronation Street accomplishments. Have already updated the article and skimmed through to address any non-cited claims. FlipandFlopped ツ 00:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Almost Ready. The Filmography section needs to be sourced. It is also tagged as a stub, so if any other information can be written about the subject, that'd be great. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 06:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Almost ready just two cn tags and some of the unsourced filmography needs to be addressed. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
September 19
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(Posted) RD: Bimal Kar
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Daily Star
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
- Created by FNH004 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Looks good and well sourced. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:15, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Looks alright to me. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 08:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support seems alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 18:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
September 18
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RD: Sam Malcolmson
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Friends of Football
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Needs section clean-up but otherwise well cited and comprehensive. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Weak Support meets bare minimum requirement but a little expansion would be nice. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:57, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Nick Gravenites
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D41F:54E5:B447:E0BB (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ghmyrtle (talk · give credit)
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American blues musician. 240F:7A:6253:1:D41F:54E5:B447:E0BB (talk) 02:22, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It's always the unsourced discography that holds musician articles up. Bremps... 03:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Due to the usual reason. The Discography section along with two paragraphs in the biography needs sources. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 06:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support article seems alright to me now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 07:58, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
2024 Armenian coup attempt allegations
[edit]Blurb: The government of Armenia announced it had thwarted a coup attempt by a Russian-back militia to topple the government of Nikol Pashinyan. (Post)
News source(s): Politico Radio Free Europe
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
The Armenian intelligence service announced it has thwarted a pro-Russian coup by elements of a Russian financed, trained, and equipped militia. Scuba 00:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Let's wait for some more information to trickle in. How would a coup with less than a dozen people have worked? Bremps... 02:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- oppose there is nothing reliable about this accusation. The article shouldn't even exist. There are no protests now either. There'd be some reaction on the ground if this was anything but a nothing-burger.Sportsnut24 (talk) 05:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait For the moment, it seems to be an Armenian government claim. We'll see if any further info comes out. The Kip (contribs) 21:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Does not appear to be that noteworthy to me as there was no actual coup attempt carried out. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 08:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Dusko Doder
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Obit published 18 September. Needs expansion. Thriley (talk) 18:29, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Just a single sentence with little to almost nothing written. Per nom, this article will need some serious work and expansion. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 23:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support article is in good shape enow. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 08:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) UN demands Israeli withdrawl from Palestine
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Blurb: The United Nations General Assembly votes 124–12 to demand Israel end its occupation of Palestinian territories within 12 months. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)
- Wait until a separate article be created. Rynoip (talk) 21:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Meaningless unless either Israel withdraws or someone enforces the decision. For now, nothing actually changes. Noah, BSBATalk 22:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the ICJ ruling was one thing, and a Security Council resolution would be another, but GA resolutions are non-binding - they usually hold little weight and rarely hold long-term significance. In addition, this doesn’t really change anything; the position of the UN on the OPT and Israeli occupation has been stated/reaffirmed repeatedly in the past, this is just doing so again. Only real unique significance is this being the first time Palestine itself has introduced the resolution, but I don’t think that meets the bar for ITN. The Kip (contribs) 23:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Also worth noting there's no distinct article yet, and the currently-listed target is a poor fit. The Kip (contribs) 03:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose it's non binding, so per The Kip, is going to have little impact. Masem (t) 23:19, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose A non-binding resolution seems meaningless. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It's non-binding, and already covered by Ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support regardless of the UN's ability to enforce the decision, it is still a UN resolution. Scuba 02:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Per The Kip, the ruling won't be enforced or recognized by the powers engaged in said occupation so its a bit of a moot point. Dozens of UN Resolutions pass regularly, many with regards to ongoing conflicts or international situations. Ornithoptera (talk) 06:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: Salvatore Schillaci
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Il Post, BBC, La Gazzetta dello Sport, La Stampa
Credits:
- Nominated by Oltrepier (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Nicopicchio (talk · give credit), Nick.mon (talk · give credit), PeeJay (talk · give credit) and Diademchild (talk · give credit)
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A former professional footballer and full international for Italy; he was best known for winning both the Golden Ball and the Golden Boot at the 1990 FIFA World Cup and finishing second at the Ballon d'Or of the same year. Rest in peace. Oltrepier (talk) 09:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Needs a little work need some citations for career statistics otherwise pretty good, rip. 2407:E400:D004:BA01:41B9:4789:E394:2B10 (talk) 09:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The article should be in decent shape now, aside of a phrase that needs attention for some evident citing overkill. Oltrepier (talk) 08:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support I think it is ready to be posted now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 08:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) 2024 Shenzhen knife attack
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Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Reuters, Reuters again
Credits:
- Nominated by Di (they-them) (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TheLonelyPather (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose Relatively little coverage outside of region, scale of attack isn't widespread though tragic. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Singular person dies via murder. Not earth-shattering nor out of the ordinary. Kline • talk • contribs 15:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Kline. Certainly tragic, but an incident in which a single non-famous person is attacked/murdered simply doesn't meet the bar for ITN. The Kip (contribs) 17:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose shouldn't even be an article,clearly fails NOTNEWS. Maybe there is a place for violence against foreignors in China, but do not need individual articles of such small scale events with non notable individuals. Masem (t) 17:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, per others. Ultimately, this seems to be a very small-scale attack, and one that does not appear to have wider consequences that warrant inclusion in ITN. ArkHyena (talk) 22:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Good faith nom. As much as shocking this incident sounds for Japan (as it is receiving widespread coverage by the Japanese media), this unfortunatly doesn't meet ITN standards. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 23:38, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
September 17
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(Posted) RD: Beppe Menegatti
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Il Messaggero
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)
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Theatre director mostly of his wonderful wife ;) - stubbish article was there. We have now a ref in English. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Short, but acceptable. Sourced. Grimes2 (talk) 13:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support article seems alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 08:03, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. ---PFHLai (talk) 12:38, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
2024 Bamako attacks
[edit]Blurb: At least 77 people were killed and more than 255 others were injured in an attack on Mali's capital Bamako, carried out by Jama'at Nusrat al-Islam wal Muslimin, an Islamist militant group affiliated with al-Qaeda. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Significant attack on a capital city with many casualties. Article looks good. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support A quite high death toll and article is good enough. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 08:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Good article, and the death toll is high enough to be in the ITN. High Admiral JMT talk 00:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Per above. Rynoip (talk) 01:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jim Cullivan
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio WTN
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit) and Connormah (talk · give credit)
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Football coach, 103. Article is GA. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support since this is GA and has been updated. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 08:04, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:38, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
RD: JD Souther
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, LA Times
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E924:4E1B:C314:5996 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Johndavies837 (talk · give credit)
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American singer-songwriter. 240F:7A:6253:1:E924:4E1B:C314:5996 (talk) 04:10, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Some WP:PROSELINE issues prevent this from being posted on the main page. Bremps... 06:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not enough citations on the article Rynoip (talk) 22:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose orange tagged because of a lot of information is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 08:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tyrone C. Fahner
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Tribune
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Article updated and well sourced. Death announced on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article seems sufficient in terms of covering his life and well-cited. Bremps... 03:54, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above. Rynoip (talk) 21:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 02:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Lebanon pager explosions
[edit]Blurb: Across Lebanon and Syria, pagers used by Hezbollah explode, killing multiple people and injuring thousands. (Post)
Alternative blurb: At least nine people are killed and over 2,800 are injured after pagers used by Hezbollah members explode in Lebanon.
Alternative blurb II: At least nine people are killed and over 2,800 are injured after pagers used by Hezbollah members explode in Lebanon and Damascus, Syria.
News source(s): Guardian, NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by Sandstein (talk · give credit)
- Created by Galamore (talk · give credit)
Novel and creative escalation in the Israel-Hezbollah conflict (which is not in ongoing, unlike the Israel-Hamas conflict). Sandstein 17:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Actually was just creating a nom for this, added my proposed blurb as an alt.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 17:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I left out the estimated casualty numbers because these are prone to change in the days to come. Sandstein 17:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- I was under the impression that this falls under ongoing Israel-Hamas war? Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) started one day after and in direct response to the conflict in Gaza and Hezbollah has made calm with Israel conditional on a ceasefire in Gaza[3].VR (Please ping on reply) 17:31, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- If for some reason the two are separate, then Israel–Hezbollah conflict should be added to ongoing too, which would make this blurb redundant.VR (Please ping on reply) 17:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- In a broader sense both Israel–Hamas war and Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) are theatres of the regional conflict between Iran, Israel and their respective allies, but currently we have only Israel–Hamas war in ongoing. Sandstein 17:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support The novelty and notability on this escalation are salient. Even if there were an ongoing (and there is not) I'd likely still lean towards supporting a blurb given the singularity of this event. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Support An interesting topic, as well as the blurb. Also this event can be considered as a biggest security breach, more than a month after the Assassination of Ismail Haniyeh. --cyrfaw (talk) 17:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment – The sentence reads like Hezbollah triggered the explosions. Should we add "due to a security breach"? FunLater (talk) 17:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- The expulsions are really a security breach similar to the one that occurred in Iran last month. The blurb should be improved further since the organization has nothing to do with her --cyrfaw (talk) 17:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, covered by ongoing the Israel-Hezbollah conflict is considered part of the Israel-Hamas conflict per our articles. (we just had a nom that considered making it a separate ongoing but that didn't gain traction). It is a separate theater but it's very much tied to what's happening in the Gaza strip. Masem (t) 17:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
It's more tied to what's happening in Netanyahu's mind.(Strike as Netanyahu's mind is no longer "ongoing"...) Martinevans123 (talk) 20:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support – Major suspected attack in Lebanon with nearly 3,000 injuries, a major escalation in the reignited Hezbollah–Israel conflict. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 18:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support – Though it can be argued that it's covered by ongoing, I think it is a very serious and rare escalation notable enough of a blurb. Prodrummer619 (talk) 18:11, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support. While covered by the ongoing item, this is sufficiently unique and the number of casualties (double digits deaths apparently now and thousands of injuries) merits posting. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 20:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Almost incredible. Netanyahu coincidentally Tweeted about withdrawal of Israeli civilians from the North yesterday? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support not only is it a big escalation, but the way Israel did so is crazy. Scuba 20:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Patar knight, somewhat covered by ongoing but unusual/escalatory enough it probably merits posting. The Kip (contribs) 20:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support an important news and widely covered.
- Wait The article has a rainbow of multiple cleanup/dispute tags. And the technical details of the incident(s) still seem uncertain and subject to much speculation. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality issues for now.VR (Please ping on reply) 22:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait and oppose Hezbollah mention - The page clearly still needs cleanup and the situation is developing. Many of those caught in the attacks do not seem to have a clear connection to Hezbollah, so while this may have been intended to target members of that organisation it could also have been a more general terrorist attack against pager users in the country (with Hezbollah happening to be a major user of pagers in the country) and it is not only misleading but potentially dangerous to jump the gun in making assumptions here. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 22:41, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- 'Support. Large number of casualties. The news is making international headlines. – Anne drew
- Support on notability sheer scale of injuries together with the highly unusual tactics deployed makes this notable. Cleanup tags need to be addressed first before posting. FlipandFlopped ツ 23:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, then Support Page needs a bit of clean-up and development. Other than that, this is unique and is significant enough to exclude it from the "covered by ongoing" argument in my opinion. This type of attack has never been seen on such a massive scale, and the damages could be tremendous. Hungry403 (talk) 02:33, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Front-page news across the world. Noah, BSBATalk 02:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Immediate Support Should be up for tomorrow. Alexysun (talk) 02:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- oppose per masem. unless there is something bigger out of this in retaliation.
- Also the article ays lebanon and the blurb says syria.Sportsnut24 (talk) 03:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- oppose per masem. unless there is something bigger out of this in retaliation.
- Support - unusual event, global coverage. Significant per Hungry403. Mjroots (talk) 05:34, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Posted. I find that there is a WP:ROUGHCONSENSUS to post, and that the articles, while they could use improvement, are nevertheless serviceable. El_C 05:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is a tag on there that held up posts for Fujimori. So why does this get through?Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Sportsnut24: the article is tag-free, as it was when I added my support at 05:34. Mjroots (talk) 09:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Mjroots @El C, as evidenced by the talk page, it still has several outstanding POV issues. The tag was removed prematurely.VR (Please ping on reply) 12:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Sportsnut24: the article is tag-free, as it was when I added my support at 05:34. Mjroots (talk) 09:40, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @El C Change the title to mention communication devices in general instead of just pagers per the recent developments. Reuters Prodrummer619 (talk) 15:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Briefly because I'm writing in haste. I stand by my decision and am not pulling the blurb. Any other requests can be handled by any other admin. Thank you. El_C 23:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- There is a tag on there that held up posts for Fujimori. So why does this get through?Sportsnut24 (talk) 08:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- NOTE there is a big orange tag on the article, which is this allowed on the page? It should be pulled until sorted, like fujimori.2A00:F3C:A282:0:5097:3DB:7890:50B7 (talk) 06:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- This is a contentious topic and so has all the usual aggravation and issues that they generate. The article still has a big orange {{POV}} tag, just like it did when I commented above. And the technical scope of of the topic has expanded since as it's not just pagers.
- As this is obviously part of the general Arab-Israeli conflict, we should perhaps leave all such to Ongoing.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 06:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is it an Arab-Israel conflict? The major Arab nations are not involved. And perhaps the biggest issue is non-Arabic Iran. As Israeli troops move further into Lebanon, and Gazify it, we'll have to make this ongoing - presumably combined with Gaza. Is there a name for a group that consists of Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthi, and Iran, etc.? Nfitz (talk) 02:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- These and other similar groups all seem to be part of Militant Islamism in the Middle East. They seem to be generally committed to Pan-Islamism rather than the nation states which are partly a relic of earlier colonial empires. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Terrorists. 107.122.193.77 (talk) 16:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Is it an Arab-Israel conflict? The major Arab nations are not involved. And perhaps the biggest issue is non-Arabic Iran. As Israeli troops move further into Lebanon, and Gazify it, we'll have to make this ongoing - presumably combined with Gaza. Is there a name for a group that consists of Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthi, and Iran, etc.? Nfitz (talk) 02:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment How about we post the explosion video on the main page? Fujimori has been there long enough. Bremps... 18:52, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
September 16
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(Posted) RD: Song Binbin
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph
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- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Neo-Jay (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Senior leader in the Chinese Red Guards during the Cultural Revolution Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Question: Is this supposed to be an RD or a blurb? ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 01:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks this is for RD.Fixed it.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- you're welcome :) ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 01:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support A very fascinating person, article is ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 08:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 18:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Typhoon Bebinca (2024)
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Blurb: Typhoon Bebinca becomes the strongest typhoon to hit China since Typhoon Gloria of 1949. (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by High Admiral JMT (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose We generally don't post items of this nature. Blurbs here tend to be concerned with impact rather than storm strength.
- Noah, BSBATalk 02:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Good faith nom, but this is mostly a trivia. The impact caused by the typhoon isn't notable enough for the ITN. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as trivial. The Kip (contribs) 03:55, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Bebinca, though meteorologically unusual, is not record-breaking (as was Hurricane Beryl) or exceptionally impactful (as was Typhoon Yagi). Unfortunately, this means that it does not qualify for ITN, as intriguing as this storm was. ArkHyena (talk) 22:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose non-notable typhoon low deaths and damages. yagi has good shape, Bebinca is bad shape. 🌀TyphoonAmpil🌀 (💬 - 📝 - Tools) 00:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Otis Davis
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article updated and well sourced. Death announced on this date. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:12, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support as said above, the article is good and has no issues. Rynoip (talk) 23:36, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Yeah, article seems to be comprehensive and cited. We can post this. Bremps... 05:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support American double champion in track at the 1960 Olympics; he was 92. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:13, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support per above -- good article. UndercoverClassicist T·C 08:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 09:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Post posting oppose: after clicking randomly, 4 out of 5 refs are dead. 51.154.145.205 (talk) 12:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- @51.154.145.205: Fixed sourcing issues. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Central European floods
[edit]Blurb: Flooding in Central Europe leaves 16 people dead and more missing, as several towns are left submerged. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Severe flooding in central Europe leaves at least 25 people dead and 11 missing, as several towns are left submerged.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gianluigi02 (talk · give credit), Daß Wölf (talk · give credit) and Borgenland (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Article only just created as 2024 European floods was too broad and not detailed enough. Significant for a large part of the continent, one of the biggest floods in the countries affected in history. Storm Boris (2024) and Genoa low articles need improvements too. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:17, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support
until the quality improves.Seems notable for posting though.
- Support
- Noah, BSBATalk 16:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment feels like we are creating excessive articles around these topics. Don't see why this can't be part of storm Boris in this case. Masem (t) 17:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Masem: Storm Boris is a redirect to a wind storm season article subsection. It doesnt have its own article. Noah, BSBATalk 18:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- That subsection is covering the current floods, which seems to be fine. But if there is expansions to be made, that should be the standalone page and not this new flooding page. — Masem (t) 18:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hard disagree. The precedent here is 1997 Central European flood, to which this being frequently compared to. Firstly Storm Boris is just one of the factors that has caused the flooding. Secondly, given the impact and scale a standalone article is very much appropriate here, even though it is yet to be expanded, however I'm sure it will be expanded easily to such a point that WP:FORKs and WP:SIZESPLITs will be needed anyway. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- My concern is mostly thus larger trend anound seeming infinite atomization of current event event articles, where editors are given even small facets of larger stories their own article. We want to make the featured article here is sufficiently conpherensive of the cause and effects around the flooding without being too narrow. — Masem (t) 14:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Some of the information has been duplicated from 2024 European floods, but as long as that article can be organised by month instead of by country, that can be easily trimmed down to a summary with a {{main}} link. 2024–25 European windstorm season#Storm Boris is more of a mess, but still I don't think the problem here is anything more than poor linking between the three articles. The September floods due to Boris/Anett are without doubt notable -- this has turned out to be an event at least comparable to a 1997 flood. The storm, which might or might not be notable independently of the floods, currently only has a section in the windstorm list. Did I miss a fork somewhere? Daß Wölf 04:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- My concern is mostly thus larger trend anound seeming infinite atomization of current event event articles, where editors are given even small facets of larger stories their own article. We want to make the featured article here is sufficiently conpherensive of the cause and effects around the flooding without being too narrow. — Masem (t) 14:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hard disagree. The precedent here is 1997 Central European flood, to which this being frequently compared to. Firstly Storm Boris is just one of the factors that has caused the flooding. Secondly, given the impact and scale a standalone article is very much appropriate here, even though it is yet to be expanded, however I'm sure it will be expanded easily to such a point that WP:FORKs and WP:SIZESPLITs will be needed anyway. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- That subsection is covering the current floods, which seems to be fine. But if there is expansions to be made, that should be the standalone page and not this new flooding page. — Masem (t) 18:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Masem: Storm Boris is a redirect to a wind storm season article subsection. It doesnt have its own article. Noah, BSBATalk 18:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support, likely comparable to the 1997 or 2014 floods once all the information is tallied up, and the article is of sufficient quality. Suggest changing the blurb to "Storm Boris flooding leaves..." to make it immediately recognisable, as the name seems to have taken on in the media. Unfortunately, I wouldn't expect the article to be exhaustive until well after the event. Unlike e.g. Typhoon Yagi, this is affecting at least half a dozen countries with different languages where weather news commonly stops at the country border. When compared to North America and the UK, severe weather events in continental Europe fairly rarely get comprehensive articles on Wikipedia.
- It's also somewhat hard to tell how long the effects will last. The bulk of precipitation fell on already saturated high ground near the sources of Europe's large rivers, so there might be a second wave of flooding downstream, or another if a warm spell suddenly thaws out the newly accumulated snow in the mountains. For example, the Danube might yet flood northern Serbia and easternmost Croatia [5]. Daß Wölf 08:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - article is undersourced as of now ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support
article quality needs to improveKcmastrpc (talk) 13:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)- Most of the {{cn}} tags have been filled in by now. There is an uncited part of a paragraph in Romania and obviously parts of the article are a day or two out of date, e.g. presumably things are happening in Hungary by now, but unfortunately I don't know Hungarian. Wikipedias in other languages have more content and more sources, if someone is interested in going over them with Google Translate or similar and including up-to-date information. I don't have time to fix it further, but I think what we have now shows the scale of the event well enough. Daß Wölf 04:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed, article is out of stub status, looks good enough for posting. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the {{cn}} tags have been filled in by now. There is an uncited part of a paragraph in Romania and obviously parts of the article are a day or two out of date, e.g. presumably things are happening in Hungary by now, but unfortunately I don't know Hungarian. Wikipedias in other languages have more content and more sources, if someone is interested in going over them with Google Translate or similar and including up-to-date information. I don't have time to fix it further, but I think what we have now shows the scale of the event well enough. Daß Wölf 04:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article looks good and has the proper amount of citations. This is also a major natural disaster and should be ITN. Scuba 20:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support as per above. --Oltrepier (talk) 08:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: @Abcmaxx I would suggest you to nominate both 2024–25 European windstorm season and Genoa low to to be listed as Articles for improvement. Oltrepier (talk) 08:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Barely comprehensive enough but comprehensive enough. Bremps... 15:21, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Widespread flooding affected many countries, and we often don't post ITN items about Central/Eastern Europe enough. OhanaUnitedTalk page 01:40, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major natural disaster, article quality is up to par now. The Kip (contribs) 03:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Support - I suggest posting as a clear consensus is in evidence. International news impacting multiple nations. Jusdafax (talk) 04:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. I added File:2024 Most Żelazny w Kłodzku (8), powódź.jpg to the image protection page but if there are alternate image suggestions, please comment below. SpencerT•C 04:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: anyone available to make this change? Natg 19 (talk) 22:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Done I was just about to action this but Bagumba has beaten me to it. :-) Schwede66 05:31, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: anyone available to make this change? Natg 19 (talk) 22:49, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) European floods
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Blurb: Flooding in Central and Eastern Europe leaves several people dead and more missing, as several towns are left submerged. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
- Wait - As you said, the article isn't ready. I should say wait for the present to get the article improved, and maybe after some more casualties are noted. Maybe after the floods have finished. High Asmiral JMT (talk) 03:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Going by the current article, which covers floods since May, this feels like an inappropriate junction of multiple different weather events, getting in towards synthesis. Would almost definitely need a focus on the page on the storm that actually caused these most recent floods. --Masem (t) 12:06, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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